Sebastian's father has spoken out on newstalk zb and he is on zb at this present time stating that he believes that speed was not involved in the crash and death of his son.

He thinks it is fatigue or mechanical issues.

The police are still investigating the causes of the crash.

I understand he is grieving at this present time but it is clear that speed was a large influence, the car he was driving hit a tree at 130kms, and yet the father is saying that speed wasn't a factor.

The father also said that his son's prophecy that he would die young might have been unrelated to driving, he has implied that his son was suicidal.

Now if his son was suicidal, then that means the crash was indeed suicide.

That is just my opinion and may not hold any weighting.

130kms is very very fast to be driving even during the day on an empty motorway. What type of car was it?

No no idea.

A couple of people from Pukekohe, one of them a friend of his has said that "we'll stop speeding for a month and then start again". This is a 19 year old and I was like "you idiot you obviously can't have been that close with Sebastian.

people like him shouldn't be on the roads.

There was a person last night who questioned whether or not Sebastian was driving the car that night as they were found several metres from the car.

Police investigations are still under way.

seemed to be a Honda accord - thik.

That explains it then, everyone knows they crumble (Hondas in general) in a crash. That and the added impact of the speed he was driving at.

I hope they raise the age as a result of this weekend's events. It would get people off the road which would make it safer. It would also get dangerous drivers off the road, well to an extent. I say raise it to 18.

heck i dont mind. raise it 21 if it makes things better oh and traffic more easy going :)

After this they had better raise the age.

Also there are many mentions of speed governers so what I want to know is why the fuck havent cars got them? why the fuck do we keep importing cars that do rediculous speeds when are speed limit is much lower?

WHAT !!!!

Speed it AWESOME.


What are yo talking about, wahts you ideal car then , something that only does 50km/hour.


Its up tt eh FUCKIN driver to watch their car speed. They are responsible for their own fukups.

No- they should not/ never limit the CC rating of the car for "everyone"

Yesp, im with you if they limit it for younger audience, 18- ; they should be limited to say 1000cc cars.

hec i wanna get a Holden HSV or a XR8 or a Skyline Godzilla -- aint no one limiting me :-)

oh..and even if they do limit it, there are always ways to mod the car to increase he performace.

i better stop byching.

And this is the exact reason why many young people are being killed on the raods and why insurance premiums are higher for young males under 25.

I suggest having car governers to 100km p/h because there is actually no purpose to having a car that goes faster than this when the speed limit is either 100 or 50kms.

I also suggest the government stops the tv campaigns and installs more speed cameras ont he roads.

personally I couldn't give a fuck about the speed limit. I drive to the weather conditions, the road and at a speed it is safe to do so - it might be less than the speed limit or it might be greater.

Speed does not cause accidents, its stupid assholes who don't drive to the conditions - oh and you try driving ANY car into a tree at 130 km/h there won't be a lot left of it.

Yeah and this is a major problem with young drivers.

Before you ask, I don't drive because of idiots on the roads. The speed limits are there for a reason.

Acrowley, you're new, how did you find out about the forum?

I read your spamming on the BDO forum

you're assuming that I'm under 25 - I'm not. Again its because of assholes who do not have the neccessary intelligence that cause accidents - SPEED does not.

It is a proven fact that the faster you go the bigger the mess in crashes.
It is a proven fact that New Zealand roads are not suitable for speeds above what they currently are.

It is young drivers who cause the most crashes and it is young drivers who do the most speeding.

This is a proven fact.

If you want to speed then do but don't speed on public roads where you could kill someone innocent who wants to live.

the only truth there is the one about the bigger mess and the young drivers, everything else is bullshit. Drive to the conditions.

If it was bull shit then it would be false advertising and that is illegal. I hardly think a government agency is going to falsely advertise, think of the repurcussions it could have on the government.

www.ltsa.govt.nz

There have been studies done and I am going to provide stats.

No matter what causes a crash, the driver's decision to travel at a certain speed directly affects the force of impact (and sometimes, whether there is an impact at all).

Travelling too fast for the conditions ('speeding') puts you and your passengers at risk. It also puts other road users, who need to react to you, in danger.

Key facts about speed for 2003
Speeding was a major contributing factor to road crashes.
Speeding contributed to 140 fatal crashes, 440 serious injury crashes and 1,246 minor injury crashes.
Speeding contributed to 166 deaths, 633 serious injuries and 2,002 minor injuries.
The social cost of speed-related crashes was about $850 million (about 26% of the social cost associated with all injury crashes).
78% of speeding drivers were male.
Of the 166 speed-related deaths, 90 were speeding drivers, 46 were passengers with a speeding driver and 30 were other road users (other drivers, passengers, cyclists and pedestrians).
One in 8 road deaths was a pedestrian. The risk of death to pedestrians increases as the speed increases from 10% risk at 30 km/h, 70% at 50 km/h, 90% at 60 km/h, to 96% risk at 70 km/h.
Key statistics on speed
Crashes caused by speed
*Fatal crash: A crash causing one or more deaths.

Year Number of fatal crashes % of fatal road crashes Number of crashes causing injury % of total road crashes causing injury Total number of crashes causing injury or death
1980 185 34.6 1629 16.0 1814
1981 183 31.2 1653 16.4 1836
1982 215 35.7 1770 16.6 1985
1983 167 29.4 1754 16.0 1921
1984 197 32.2 1788 15.0 1985
1985 193 29.2 1848 14.3 2041
1986 192 29.3 2024 15.8 2216
1987 251 36.5 2253 17.8 2504
1988 231 37.0 2204 18.5 2435
1989 257 39.5 2146 18.9 2405
1990 224 35.2 2041 16.8 2265
1991 190 34.3 2108 18.2 2298
1992 195 36.0 1918 17.3 2113
1993 192 37.1 1712 16.3 1904
1994 191 38.5 1816 16.0 2007
1995 182 36.3 1827 15.6 2009
1996 153 33.5 1684 16.7 1837
1997 137 29.3 1461 16.3 1598
1998 140 32.1 1415 17.0 1555
1999 124 28.6 1180 14.7 1304
2000 87 22.7 1129 15.1 1216
2001 123 31.1 1297 15.3 1420
2002 108 29.7 1431 14.6 1548
2003 140 34.6 1686 16.5 1826

Injury crash: A crash causing injury but not death, to one or more people.

Casualties caused by speed
Year deaths caused
by speed % of total road deaths injuries caused by speed % of total road injuries
1980 216 36.1 3006 18.9
1981 219 32.7 3084 19.9
1982 244 36.3 3257 20.1
1983 194 30.1 3149 19.1
1984 218 32.6 3121 17.8
1985 218 29.2 3210 17.0
1986 224 29.2 3544 18.8
1987 292 36.7 3904 20.8
1988 267 36.7 3650 21.0
1989 311 40.8 3624 21.9
1990 265 36.4 3422 19.3
1991 225 34.6 3383 20.2
1992 241 37.3 3164 19.6
1993 228 38.0 2801 18.5
1994 228 39.3 2982 18.0
1995 221 38.0 2988 17.7
1996 177 34.4 2806 19.0
1997 162 30.1 2508 18.8
1998 162 32.3 2427 19.6
1999 153 30.1 2095 17.5
2000 102 22.1 1931 17.5
2001 141 31.0 2196 17.8
2002 126 31.2 2339 16.8
2003 166 36.0 2635 18.3

Note: The tables show crashes where at least one vehicle was travelling too fast for the conditions.

Do you still wish to argue with me that speed doesn't affect crashes?

the link is http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/research/speed.html

Young drivers are over-represented in minor, serious and fatal crashes. Figures from driver licence statistics and crash reports indicate that 15 to 19 year old drivers make up 8 percent of the licensed population, yet between 2001 and 2003 this group accounted for 14 percent of drivers involved in minor and serious crashes, and 11 percent of those involved in fatal crashes. Similarly 20 to 24 year olds make up 8 percent of the licensed population but between 2001 and 2003 they accounted for 14 percent of drivers involved in minor and serious crashes, and 12 percent of those involved in fatal crashes. The majority of these drivers are male.

Key facts for 2003
Drivers aged from 15 to 24 years were involved in 144 fatal crashes, 800 serious injury crashes and 3391 minor injury crashes.
15 to 24 year old drivers were primarily responsible for 121 fatal crashes, 622 serious injury crashes and 2498 minor injury crashes, resulting in 140 deaths, 858 serious injuries and 3897 minor injuries.
The social cost of crashes where 15 to 24 year old drivers were at fault was about $1020 million (about a third of the social cost associated with all injury crashes).
68% of 15 to 24 year old drivers who were primarily responsible for causing a crash were males.
Key statistics
Young drivers involved in fatal and injury crashes
Crashes where the driver was 15-19 years old
Year Number of drivers in fatal crashes % of drivers in fatal crashes Number of drivers in injury crashes % of drivers in injury crashes
1980 145 19.3 4087 26.4
1981 180 21.5 3904 25.2
1982 161 18.7 4158 25.3
1983 155 18.6 3937 23.4
1984 169 19.3 4170 22.6
1985 163 16.7 4427 21.9
1986 167 16.9 4421 22.0
1987 195 18.6 4199 21.3
1988 146 15.7 3314 17.9
1989 146 14.9 3033 17.0
1990 128 13.8 3157 16.6
1991 115 13.9 2947 16.2
1992 97 12.0 2667 15.3
1993 95 12.5 2501 15.1
1994 76 10.3 2786 15.4
1995 86 11.0 2768 14.9
1996 94 14.0 2302 14.5
1997 81 11.4 2132 14.9
1998 75 10.9 1913 14.7
1999 74 10.6 1776 13.8
2000 60 9.8 1537 13.2
2001 67 11.2 1807 13.7
2002 50 9.1 2300 14.6
2003 76 12.1 2305 14.0


Crashes where the driver was 20-24 years old
Year Number of drivers in fatal crashes % of drivers in fatal crashes Number of drivers in injury crashes % of drivers in injury crashes
1980 183 24.4 3240 20.9
1981 178 21.3 3384 21.8
1982 223 25.9 3676 22.4
1983 217 26.0 3720 22.1
1984 202 23.1 4098 22.2
1985 214 21.9 4415 21.9
1986 220 22.2 4235 21.1
1987 202 19.3 3976 20.2
1988 195 20.9 3642 19.6
1989 169 17.2 3500 19.6
1990 207 22.3 3641 19.2
1991 174 21.1 3382 18.5
1992 160 19.8 3381 19.3
1993 143 18.8 3010 18.2
1994 135 18.3 3287 18.2
1995 130 16.6 3466 18.6
1996 100 14.9 2963 17.0
1997 95 13.3 2215 15.5
1998 105 15.3 1966 15.1
1999 100 14.3 1767 13.8
2000 72 11.8 1669 14.3
2001 76 12.7 1819 13.7
2002 63 11.4 2105 13.3
2003 76 12.1 2325 14.1

Note: The table includes drivers of all types of motorised vehicles, including motorcycles.
Fatal crash: A crash causing one or more deaths.
Injury crash: A crash causing injury but not death, to one or more people.



Stats about the young drivers and here is the link http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/research/young.html#stats

ditto

The faster you go, the more likely you are to crash and the greater your risk of serious injury or death.

No matter what causes a crash, the driver's decision to travel at a certain speed directly affects the force of impact (and sometimes, whether there is an impact at all).

Travelling too fast for the conditions ('speeding') puts you and your passengers at risk. It also puts other road users, who need to react to you, in danger.

www.ltsa click on the stats link and then the speed link.

However speed will decrease the amount of time you have to react if something unforseen happens, it will decrease the control you have if something unforseen happens and will increase the likelyhood of fatalaties.

If you choose to speed then, IMO, you do not have the neccessary intelligence to drive safely.

Really.

what if its a straight, empty road.

i dont see any one dying from Motorsports.

Rally drivers drive infact any racing driver drives with speed in mind, the goal is to get from A - B as quickly as possible. So why is it that there are no casualies there.


You know why.
1) because their vechiles are made for the speed
2) straight road or rally gravell track, the drivers are capable of tackling any conditions
3) their cars are just like any normall car, except the fact that hey are extremly well trained.
4) Why doesn't any one die from drag racing - now thats Legit
5) MereMere track, they have legit open roads where you can speed as much as you can - clockng the car --- i dont see any inguries here and yet there is lots of speed involved.



* with exceptions offcourse

They are also trained to drive that way and they have safety gear to prevent them getting hurt should there be an accident.

And synospis is right, if you are going to speed and think it doesn't affect anything then you shouldn't be driving.

You can't compare motorsports to regular driving.
Motorsports is performed in a controlled area, the drivers are in full possession of the neccessary faculties and they are trained for high speed driving.

Regular driving is completely uncontrolled, beyond the basic road rules. If you break them then absolutely anything can happen.

Exactly.

So Speeding dosnt kill. Human error, Training, Experience of the drivers, their skill level, their decision -- DOES KILL

The faster you go, the more likely you are to crash and the greater your risk of serious injury or death.

No matter what causes a crash, the driver's decision to travel at a certain speed directly affects the force of impact (and sometimes, whether there is an impact at all).

Travelling too fast for the conditions ('speeding') puts you and your passengers at risk. It also puts other road users, who need to react to you, in danger.



sorry had to do it, you just don't seem to comprehend, along with other drivers that speed does kill because it adds more impact to the crash.

Speeding however is a human error. You are not trained to drive at high speed, the rules say you cannot drive at high speed, the roads are (hopefully) designed around their assigned speed limit. Whether you say speed kills, or human error kills, they both mean that you should not speed.

Liz, time for your lecture, bye now.

fck it.. i give up.

bury it already .

well if you continue to speed, as you have implied with your comments then there is a good chance that we will be burying you.

Have you nto seen that road safety ad with the commentator who is explaining that even 10kms over the speed limit can seriously hinder your ability to stop in time. Add to that weather conditions and the impact is much greater.

Now also, on an open track there are no trees to crash into and there are people there in the event that you should crash.

Bottom line SPEED KILLS.
THE FASTER YOU GO THE BIGGER THE MESS.

You can't deny it, that is why 8 new zealanders died this weekend.

who told the dipsyts to speed over 100km.

When I say speed, i mean accelerate. Not as in drive like a mongrol.
You speed if you wanna pass the guy infront of you. Acceleration from 10-km/hr to 60km/hr and back to steady 50km/hr is NOT gonna kill you. However if you plan to aim for a tree or another vechile, thats a different story altogether

Yes it is a different story, speeding to overtake someone can be dangerous though, I mean those idiots who try to overtake like 5 cars are just putting everyone in danger and being stupid.

Yeah, im a car head too! Im gonna get me a rotor :D

Doesnt mean im gonna spead tho. Keep it on the track boys

Older people speed too, not just young people, what about them? Are they allowed to speed in your opinions?

I say it has to be across all ages otherwise it is age dscrimination, a fallany across the bill of rights.

I suggest they put these speed governers in the cars before people buy them. Like as soon as they import them.

Some of the japanese import cars already have governers. In mine it was as simple as removing a screw and voila, I can go over 180 kmh - no problem.

How long have you been driving Liz, what car do you own? Have you ever broken the speed limit?

I don't drive because I don't want to die in a car crash and because there are several bad drivers on the road as well as the fact I can't afford a car.

I have driven a couple of times and didn't go at the speed limit, I went 5km under.

I wouldn't speed, ever, I don't see the point to it and would constantly be checking to see that I was under the limit if I did drive.

maybe they should just make urban cars so taht they don't go up to 180kms, that would solve a problem or enhance the governers.

'nuff said.

Do you want me to post the accident statistics for Autobahn's in Germany where there are NO speed limits? Speed doesn't kill, stupidity does.