Did anyone see the Sunday News last weekend?

There was an article slagging Steve Crow, a man involved in the porn industry. He was being slagged off because apparently he is taking advantage of female students by offering them $10,000 to star in a porn movie.

Seems he is just doing them a favour to me.

Damn, that beats taking out a student loan any day.

Exactly but he is also being very sexist, why isn't he offering guys the same offer?

That is the thing that I would like to know.

Probably because he'll get too many applicants if he asks for guys so he'd have to offer less, and then of course they'd all be offended that the women are making more, etc etc.

Supply and demand.

Ah you sound like an Economics student :P

Yes that is quite possible and I can see your point.

I don't agree with this man's decision to target females only, he can be quoted as saying (hold on, I'll just get the Sunday News, cool thing about being a media student) he is searching for a "college hottie" and "I know most students are pretty strapped for cash. And a lot of them tend to be pretty broad minded. So they can get some bills paid off" and another important quote from the Sunday News article is "The combination of intelligence and a sexy body with a sexy attitude is very alluring. Guys like girls they can talk to as well as admire and fantasise over. I thought 'lets see how we can tap into that market'"

Now that is fair enough what he is saying here but he assumes that men are the only ones who actually view pornography and as someone who looks at porn herself this is not true. Women do too, we just don't talk about it.

Wouldn't it be tapping into a niche market to search for a male porn star? I guess on the other side though, there are not many female porn producers out there as far as I know. There could be money in this market...

Louise Wallace was quoted in the article as saying "If a girl is silly enough to take up his offer, she obviously has no self respect".

I disagree with this comment as well. It shows that she DOES have the confidence because she is showing her body to several people and she is also getting something out of it at the same time. Surely it is a win win situation for the girl in question.

National MP, Bill English stated in the article "I hope they don't fall for it".

The thing is there is nothing to fall for, they are starring in a porn movie, porn stars get paid, this is just a different form of payment.

It has all been blown out of proportion but has got me talking.

Sorry for writing so much but this got me really riled up.

Hi Liz, thanks for joining the board and inciting discussion such as this, we need more members and more discussion like this, please tell anyone you know about it.

As for this arguement, Id just like to point out, isnt this the same guy that wanted to film the birth of a child and put it in one of his porn films?
Also the same guy that declared he was going to shoot porn on location in various places in Waitakere parks without council consent?
His past ultimately declares him sleazy and this latest piece although good for poor female students paints him as being extra sleazy, I cant see him even thinking of asking male students, maybe he should scout out the drinking horn though

Well can you blame him? Women don't talk about porn, therefore no-one knows they view porn, therefore we assume only men do.

Well it depends, I don't think the industry really knows what women want from porn. For us poor oversexed males it's easy, quick and dirty sex anytime anywhere we don't care if the acting is terrible. I suspect most women would want a bit more than a quick shag with the pool boy, perhaps a slow shag with the pool boy? some foreplay with massages, some worshipping, glistening toned muscles to get her in the mood...

*dreams for a moment*

ahem.
So yes there may be a market for this, but no-one knows about it. There's no demand for porn geared towards women so there's no reason to supply it.

So what if he's a sleazebag? He's a sleazebag who pays well!

Yeah I found out about this site from Craccum on Monday and joined as soon as I was able to. I will definitely be telling people to join.

Okay, now to the debate.

I personally don't see anything wrong with having a baby's birth in a porn movie, if that is what turns Steve Crow on then fair enugh to him. I mean we can see people having sex in movies, we can see anal sex, we can see breasts and yet we still can't see penisses in regular films or an actual birth yet these are two natural parts of humanity.

That is the general perception out there, that females want porn that is slow and sensual but sex isn't like that in real life, that is a fantasy. The perception is wrong though, not all chicks are like this. Not all chicks even care if they know the sexual partner so I think it would be tapping into a niche to have porn for females. I mean females can buy sex toys and yet there aren't as many sex toys for guys, if any. It seems to me that gus have been forgotten.

The article said that the female chosen for the role in the porn movie will eithr be with a girl or a guy. Now if she is with a guy then that would seem like the guy to pay the $10,000 to.

I don't think of him a sleazebag, I thin of him as a guy who is sexist and who should be giving men the same opportunity.

Is he the same guy who wanted to film that porn movie starring only maori people and being shot in important locations that are significant to Maori?

If he is the same fker as you mentioned Fez, then i guess there is no limit as to what he will do.....

just imagin if he was in States...

Thats a good point, but I disagree and take the arguement that the kid is a human being and has no say in the matter, one day hes going to grow up and be known as the "kid that was born during 'Debbie Does Dallas'", its like circumsising your kid, they have no choice in the matter and may grow up to regret it later.

lol since how long have you been doing economics :P

I haven't but you don't need to do economics to know about that basic fact.

:blink: i was kidding

I see your point about the child having no say in the matter but its not like the child would be recognised or have to deal with the consequences later in life. its not like anyone would pay attention to the child anyway.

I think it would be quite a learning experience to film a baby being born.

It is also a combination of three genres: Porn, reality and documentary (slightly).

Re: learning experience.

You can get that done during the few months before the wife/partner is due. Both partners are / get involved so they are prepared for the birth etc.


Imagin if someone captured you on film during birth. Thats a life time moment, some thing you will remember.

Now put that in a pr0n movie.

How would you feel now? // assuming they dont kill you before you turn 1 day :)

I realise the topic has progressed on from this, but I would not take up such an offer unless I was desperate, and I think that is the problem. He is obviously targeting poor/desperate female students. That is why people are outraged about it. Part of me thanks, well she's over 18, if she accepts it, its her decision, but then the other part of me knows, I didn't really know what the hell I wanted when I was that age (which was not that long ago), and being in a porn film probably has consequences for her future - even if she is confident and self assured - e.g possible lack of respect in the film industry, having to work hard to get people to see her as something other than a sexual object etc... That is the problem, not the offer itself, but whom it is aimed at.

I have two words (excluding those before the colon): personal responsibility.

I totally agree with this yet the media has valarised him. Its interesting to see in the media that the women are still portrayed as being passive, submissive and clueless as though we don't know what we are doing, yet the men are potrayed as being powerful.

I just can't believe there are still old fashioned archetypes held up in the media. this is the 21st century and yet it seems that we are living in the early 20th century.

I didn't pay attention to whether or not this article was written by a female, actually I will have a look. now I am unsure but the Lee Umbers is who wrote it I can only assume that is female, though there is another article written by about the same man later in the paper and that is written by Ursula Hudson so I would have to say the first article is written by a male and the second is written by a female.

I am quite annoyed that they are only portraying Steve Crow as the villian, as though he is FORCING them to be a porn movie, which he is not doing, he is merely offering them the chance. The article assumes that females are incapable of making thought out decisions.

It is a very sexist article that is old fashioned.

i would be interested to know how old the writers of these articles are.