There was a letter in this week's issue by Miss get a personality and I highly disagree with what she said.
How can a person be so fine with being judged based on clothes? I think it shows that SHE has low self esteem and is willing to let people degrade her and make those comments.
People's clothing truly is up to the individual and maybe I am vain for typing this but I have to have my say.
Guys are able to walk around topless without society shunning them, the same is true of people who wear low cut tops so why the hell is it that people who wear short skirts are instantly categorised as being slutty and why is it that society is alright with people degrading them?
Its fucking wrong.

yes, its fine to wear all that at a beach however you have to consider that males are much more horney as compared to females[1]. So if you wear short skirts and fool around , then you are IMO asking for it.

how many topless men do you see walking around at any given time, compare that to hot chics + short skirts + allThatJazz = slutty behaviour [2].





1) thats my claim and i am seldom right
2) dont be offended, im not demonstrating my limited knowledge nor am i claiming how people should dress up, its entirely up to the individual.

heck sexier the better for me eyes ;-)

so if a girl wears a short skirt she is asking for sex? That is fucking horse shit, take a look outside and you will see that short skirt wearing is justified behaviour.

and yeah, maybe guys need to start thinking about the fact that clothes are only clothes.

I would be keen to know why showing skin is deemed slutty, it really isn't. I mean if you trace back to cave times, did people wear clothes? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO so why the fuck is it that these days we slag people off who are comfortable wearing short skirts.

It is up to the individual what they wear and they shouldn't be judged by society. To me the judgers are the ones who are insecure and the judgers need to grow up, get decency and realise that what other people wear is none of their god damned business.

And that is why one guy in the street ended up covered in red bull.

And so are you saying that a girl who gets raped when wearing a short skirt is asking for it? that is fucking horse shit too.

This is 2005 and we need more liberation. I think you are an old fashioned moron.

did you read 1 and 2 ?

Why not have a poll.

There is no way I can justify that short skirt = asking for it... but thats how its generally taken as... even in 2005.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it depends on the individual character. I'm sure you will agree with me on that? or may be not!!

I dont have much to say on the short skirt matter but guys wearing pink shirts lately is seriously starting to scare me

You are taking it too extremes, not ALL girls that wear short skirts are skanky/sluts but some are. Not all guys are jerks but some are. I think in the end it comes down to the person.

Remember don't judge a book by its cover :)

If whistling at this is wrong, I don't want to be right.

Yeah I probably did overreact earlier today but I had just read the post.

No, not all guys are jerks.
No, not all girls who wear short skirts are sluts.

Where did the connotation come from anyway? like right in the beginning, who was it that decided girls who wear short skirts are sluts?

As for guys in pink shirts, ugh, they should not wear them, guys in pink just does not work and should be forbidden.

I imagine it went something like this:

Woman wears short skirt. Short skirt turns the head of any man who sees her. Wether or not she's wearing the skirt to attract guys is irrelevant, it happens anyway.
So this will naturally incur the wrath of every other woman on the planet, they see a girl in a miniskirt attracting guys and think "What a slut". Some men in more control of their hormones may think the same thing.
If it happens enough it eventually becomes public opinion.

I understand that train of thought, I don't agree with it though.

There was a comment saying that it is okay to wear short skirts on a beach, that implies that the weather changes at the beach which it doesn't.

This is an issue that people are never going to agree on unfortunately but I believe that what people wear is their business.

I mean nobody ever critisizes people who wear low cut tops as being slutty, in my opinion that is a slutty thing to wear.

Ill take this opportunity to use a new emoticon

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nice emoticon, :clap:

Well Liz, i joined, just for you :P what's my reward? :rolleyes:

I change my clothes everyday... Does that mean I'm inconsistant?
Clothes can show personality, but they can also help with first impressions, and the primacy effect, where it has been proven that people take more notice of what they first see or feel about a person, than any thing that happens afterward.... The brain automatically creates a "snapshot" judgement of a person pretty much within 7 seconds of meeting someone. If by chance you talk to someone and it fits that first impression... well then, the 7 second "snapshot" becomes justified, and in other cases, the "schema" we have created gets nulled by our encounters with that person later, but it often takes a little undoing... This is why we tend to wearformal clothes to job interviews and we dress up when we go out at night. I'd say that clothes can be used as a tool to convey a certain image of yourself, and it can be a tool or a weapon depending on how you use it.

I'll applaud you 5 times on the rock factory forum.

Yes that is true, people do tend to wear formal clothes to job interviews when really they may wear jeans in real life but it seems to me to be a pointless event. The reason I say this is that after you have worked at a place for some time or have been given the job your true colours begin to show. You know how when you move into a flat you do the dishes and other tidying initially but as time goes on you tend to leave it.

Yes people do make judgements but first judgements and impressions can be very wrong. How many people have you seen and then you've spoken to them and become really good friends with them over time?

I do agree that clothes are an extension of one's personality in some regards but it some regards it truly is for comfort and people have differences in what gives them comfort and in what does not give them comfort.

liz- the fact that i dont care has nothing to do with low self-esteem - i just dont care how people judge me,coz if a person judges me on what i wear on any given day, well they will probably be wrong in the assumptions they make due to the fact that i have a highly varied wardrobe.
i dont care because if random strangers take an instant dislike to me because of what i wear, well then they're not the sort of people who's opinion i would value.

i dont know, im no psychiatrist, i said i dont care how people judge me, but on the other hand i always need to be right-that would be why i feel the need to justify myself! :P

i gotta get me a copy of "the" issue of craccum.

you do...you do indeed.

as I am when I write my letters. What are you studying at university?

What actually pisses me off about the way people judge people is not only the judges themselves but the fact that people accept these judgements.

For example when people meet me they are shocked that I am the "skirt girl", "opinionated student" etc. They expect something else.

The point is is that being called a slut is negative and yet people accept the comments, they shouldnt accept it.

Now I am all for people having opinions but there are some fashion blunders that people make but that doesn't mean I am going to tell them or write about it or make a judgement based on their clothes.

I mean blondes are treated as dumb but there are intelligent blondes, a judgement blunder.

People who wear short skirts should not be called sluts, it implies dirt and a lower class and this is also bull shit. We are just people who have a way of expressing ourselves differently.
I've personally been wearing short skirts since I was 6 years of age so they are just clothes for me.

Look at how Christine Rankin was judged a few years ago for the clothes she wears, that is who she is.

In my opinion people shouldn't wear low cut tops, that in my opinion is provocative.

People shouldn't wear jeans, they are boring, I mean so many people wear them.

I guess it comes back to what I was saying to my dad earlier in reference to unions, people can't think for themselves, I say bring back individual contractual agreements.

I would also like to say that a connotation of someone who wears a skirt would be feminity, wwhat is wrong with this? For years women weren't allowed to wear trousers and yet it is now acceptable.

Someone, I can't remember who, said shorts were an option. No they aren't if the reason you don't wear trousers is because you hate your hips, that is true for me, I hate them, so I don't show them. That is the purpose of a skirt for me, to hide what I am not comfortable with.

As much as I hate to say this after saying that skirts are not to get guys attention. I don't actually mind attention for wearing a short skirt, the problem is that it always comes from what I deem to be ugly guys who I dislike. That is where the problem lies.

I guess that we are all judges of other people and other actions.

I try very hard not to do it and yes, I admit I fail some times, for example today I was in the street and i saw four girls in a line, they were all wearing denim skirts and I thought to myself "oh my god, how pathetic and sheep like" and when I see guys in pink shirts I think "wow they should not be wearing them". Another thing in fashion that I can't stand is when people wear black, it is NOT flattering, it just brings attention to the fact that you don't like colours, that you are probably a dark person and that you are trying to hide whatever it is about your body that you dislike.

I can't stand people who wear clothes that don't go with eachother. I can't stand those who don't make an effort to look good, you know the type, those who just throw on clothes in the morning without much thought.

The difference between me and them though is that I keep it to myself because it isn't my place to say anything.

whoooh! I think you lost me there somewhere? Very, very early on.
Are we discussing fashion and the reasons for wearing certain things?

Well personally I have to say I like clashing and contrasting colours. It gives psrsonality to what people wear. I tend to wear what I am comfortable with - but now that I'm doing teacher training I have to think of other things such as whether or not it is appropriate in the classroom, is it showing too much of my legs or cleavage? This is normal for teachers I think. They tend to have quite a strict dress code in schools.

After a while I think you create yourself a sort of "uniform" of clothes that you are comfortable with and that a suited to the working, lifestyle situation. These clothes then go on random rotation, mix and match tops and bottoms from day to day, so that it does not look like you are wearing the same thing eveyday. Liz - Do you find this happening?

Yes that is very much what we are discussing.

My fashion very much is a uniform, not a narrow uniform but it is a uniform and yet humans typically dislike uniforms because you are "stuck wearing the same thing day after day".

I guess clothing comes down to tastes and thus nobody should comment on toher people's clothing as people do have different tastes.

End of the amtter.

so you're saying no-one should comment on 'differences' ?

au contraire, liz. if no-one celebrated difference how fucking BORING would this world be? all just clones of each other, probably with white people still enslaving blacks and handicapped people being euthenised......

come on, 'differences' are what makes life interesting, and celebrating and acknowledging differences is a crucial part of human interaction.





and im studying english, music, film/tv/media, also psychology next semester. first year. i own about 10 mini skirts,and have nice legs, so im not in any way jealous of miniskirt wearers, in case happy ahmed is going to try tell me i am.

exactly and yet so many people fail at it.

Incidentally I am pro mini-skirt, if that didn't come across. In fact I don't care what you wear, but if you look stupid in it, I reserve the right to laugh at you.

why? is that not in effect telling someone what they should and shouldn't wear?

Laughing may be a different form of it but in my opinion it is still telling someone what to wear and what not to wear.

Tough.

I'm not telling you anything, i'm not imposing my ideas upon you, i'm merely reacting to my surroundings.

If you dress like a retarded muppet, I will find it funny. It's that simple.

You claim to be comfortable wearing what you wear and seem to imply that you look good in it. I don't see wearing things you don't think you look good in as any sort of assertion of your femininity, so I assume this is the case.

In which case what the fuck are you worried about?

i think that was the point liz...that what it basically comes down to is that everyone has to take responsibility for their actions.


and feel free to laugh at me if you ever see me looking funny, happy ahmed. if you want a laugh, well, im dyeing my hair purpleblack soon, as my aunt was lovely enough to bring over today about $300 of hair products that she got on sale :D including 4 different dyes for me :D and i dont know WHAT im going to look like with purple hair :s :P

well actually i do, il look like me with purple hair. but you get the point.....

I once had orange hair and I looked quite rediculous so purple isn't that bad in my opinion.

I just don't really pass judgement to be honest, couldn't care less. Although I do pass judgement on people's weight, I know its wrong but it is something I do.

arrghhhhhh !!!!

[edited for sane reasons]

What was the original post?

You see I was blonde for ages and then dyed my hair black as a dare, hated it, dyed it blonde but it turned out orange, that is why my hair is dark red now.

ahhh that makes a lot more sence :D

hehehhehehehhe yeah the black hair lasted a week. I hated the orange hair. The dark red really suits my image and personality. :P

mmm the blond bit... uknow.

Nope, no idea, anyway I have to go to work now. :P

wooop t fucking doo. you dont pass judgement, its wrong to stereo type, unless, you say, its about fat people. its minds like yours that create the very issue you have so hysterically attacked.

so purple isn't that bad in my opinion.

I just don't really pass judgement to be honest, couldn't care less

liz

almost everything you say is hypocritical or unqualified, and its even worse when you do it in the same post. please consider exactly how you feel about something before you contradict yourself yet again. how can you know the difference between a race track and a road if you dont drive a car on either? how can you complain about poor grammar when you use words that dont make sense in your context? how can you condemn passing judgement on somebodys appearance and then the next line attack poor thomas for having pimples and not looking very handsome? that shit is whack

in my opinion.

It's nice to know I'm not alone in feeling that way.

*smiles contentedly*

Yes, I judge fat people but I never do it to their face, I usually keep it to myself.

speedways are fine in my opinion because all the drivers have more of an idea of what is going to happen, on a road when someone comes hurtling around a corner, you do not know that is going to happen.

ok. thats a good point.

Thank you Toby, thank you for agreeing with me :)

lol, u fuckers still debating over this?! All i have to say is dat "only chicks who are fat slags deserve to wear short skirts" B)

well its good that I'm not fat then, I mean I'm not skinny either. I am average.

You will all be pleased today that after mymastercard got paid off I went out and bought some stylish shoes, a replacement jersey, and a.........
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...................................................longer denim mini skirt. I am loving the denim thing right now. :)