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Title: The Matrix
Description: Can someone please explain the plot?


Fez - April 9, 2005 07:43 AM (GMT)
Ok I just finished watching the Trilogy (not for the first time) but I still dont quite get it.

Heres some questions I have.

Who is the "last exile" the little indian girl, at the end of Revolutions the Oracle asked her if she made the sunset to which she nodded and said "for neo".

Is she Mother Nature?

How exactly did Neo kill Smith? Was it because he was jacked into the source and by allowing Smith to copy himself to him, let the Machines destroy Smith? (via some anti-virus thing?) Why were the machines so worried about smith in the first place, the only fear they had of Smith going across into the "real" world was through a "freed" human mind (example being Bane) but Neo destroyed Bane/Smith and it would be unlikely any more humans would be able to go back into the matrix to be copied by Smith while Zion was being destroyed. And how did Smith become a virus in the first place? Cause Neo jumped into him?

And the last point, Im assuming the cycle repeats and a new "the one" will be born and Zion destroyed again (eventually). Is this the point of the whole story?

Steveo - April 9, 2005 08:01 AM (GMT)
Smith broke free from the computer and became a virus and was starting to take over the main computer thats all i got :S

SecretSquirrel - April 9, 2005 08:32 AM (GMT)
Meh, matrix was boring after the 1st one.

Synopsis - April 9, 2005 09:13 AM (GMT)
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Who is the "last exile" the little indian girl, at the end of Revolutions the Oracle asked her if she made the sunset to which she nodded and said "for neo".

She is the last program to have been smuggled out of the Machine world. All the Exiles know what the Matrix is so they have some power over it, like that cake the Merovingian made and fed to that woman.

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How exactly did Neo kill Smith? Was it because he was jacked into the source and by allowing Smith to copy himself to him, let the Machines destroy Smith? (via some anti-virus thing?)

I think so, when Smith copied over to Neo then the Machines must have had access to the Smith code, allowing them to analyse and figure out how to destroy him.

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Why were the machines so worried about smith in the first place,

Because if he got into the Machine world (probably using the same link through the Architect that Neo almost did) then he could have taken over and destroyed the machines.

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And how did Smith become a virus in the first place? Cause Neo jumped into him?

When Neo destroyed Smith something went wrong, perhaps some part of Neo imprinted itself on Smith, even he wasn't too sure what happened, but it gave him the power to disobey the rules, to come back. Wether that gave him the power to copy himself or if it's something he figured out how to do is unclear.

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And the last point, Im assuming the cycle repeats and a new "the one" will be born and Zion destroyed again (eventually). Is this the point of the whole story?

Nope, the cycle of "the one" has presumably been broken. The Machines have formed a truce with Zion (Which is the basis for The Matrix Online game), those who make the choice not to accept the Matrix will be freed which should prevent the anomaly that created The One.

Fez - April 9, 2005 10:01 AM (GMT)
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She is the last program to have been smuggled out of the Machine world. All the Exiles know what the Matrix is so they have some power over it, like that cake the Merovingian made and fed to that woman.


Oh that explains a few things, but does that mean the Machine world is in fact another progammed world too then? How can a program exist in the real world?

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Because if he got into the Machine world (probably using the same link through the Architect that Neo almost did) then he could have taken over and destroyed the machines.


So wait at the end of Reloaded when Neo meets the Architect and makes the choice to save Trinity and not Zion (did the previous Neos not make this choice?) he taps into the Machine World?

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Nope, the cycle of "the one" has presumably been broken. The Machines have formed a truce with Zion (Which is the basis for The Matrix Online game), those who make the choice not to accept the Matrix will be freed which should prevent the anomaly that created The One.


Theres another Matrix game?!
Is it only on PC?
Well thats good news cause I thought that was a shitty moral to end it on, then why does the Oracle say "I think we'll be seeing him again quite soon" when Sati asks if theyll see Neo again. And how would people know they were in the matrix, wont it be just like before? And how will the machines continue to live if too many want to be freed.

Synopsis - April 9, 2005 10:22 AM (GMT)
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Oh that explains a few things, but does that mean the Machine world is in fact another progammed world too then? How can a program exist in the real world?

The Machine world and the Machine City are basically the same thing. For example the Program that fathered Sati was a monitor for a Machine power plant. If all the programs were taken over by Smith then he could disrupt and destroy the Machine City.

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So wait at the end of Reloaded when Neo meets the Architect and makes the choice to save Trinity and not Zion (did the previous Neos not make this choice?) he taps into the Machine World?

Almost, when he met the Architect there were two doors, one led to the Source (The Machine world) and the other back to the Matrix.
All of The One's were designed to have a great capacity for love, in the precursers to Neo they experienced this as love for humanity, so they chose to go to the Source and allow Zion to be destroyed to save the majority of humanity. It was only Neo who experienced love for a single human, which made him choose her over humanity.

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Theres another Matrix game?!
Is it only on PC?

Yes, it's an MMORPG.

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Well thats good news cause I thought that was a shitty moral to end it on, then why does the Oracle say "I think we'll be seeing him again quite soon" when Sati asks if theyll see Neo again.

Because we don't know if Neo truly is dead or if he still exists in some form. Also it's possible that the anomaly in The Matrix might still express itself and create another One.

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And how would people know they were in the matrix, wont it be just like before?

Yup, people who don't accept the Matrix will be those like Neo, Morpheus and all the others who felt something was wrong with the world. The Zionist have already proved quite adept at tracking those people down and freeing them.

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And how will the machines continue to live if too many want to be freed.

99% of people accept the Matrix. The Machines will still have all the power they need. Zion existed for a century and only had 250,000 inhabitants, probably only a modest fraction of them were freed minds.

Fez - April 9, 2005 10:38 AM (GMT)
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The Machine world and the Machine City are basically the same thing. For example the Program that fathered Sati was a monitor for a Machine power plant. If all the programs were taken over by Smith then he could disrupt and destroy the Machine City.


So there is no REAL world then? But Trinity and Neo saw the sky when they flew above the clouds (Ive seen the Animatrix I understand the reasons for blacking out the sky)

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Almost, when he met the Architect there were two doors, one led to the Source (The Machine world)


I forget this part, what was Neos choice again?

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Yup, people who don't accept the Matrix will be those like Neo, Morpheus and all the others who felt something was wrong with the world. The Zionist have already proved quite adept at tracking those people down and freeing them.


Then whose to say that my original theory isnt right? Sounds awfully like how the Matrix originally was, people who reject it can be freed just like Neo, Morpheus etc. And life continues on as it did before. Eventually the cycle repeats, The One comes back, fucks up and makes Smith a virus again, then we come down to the "cancelling out" of the two and the "truce" once again to start the next cycle.
Or is there a difference now in that freed minds who enter the matrix to free others wont be interfered with by agents?

Synopsis - April 9, 2005 10:47 AM (GMT)
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So there is no REAL world then? But Trinity and Neo saw the sky when they flew above the clouds (Ive seen the Animatrix I understand the reasons for blacking out the sky)

The Machine City is like your computer, the Machine World is like your operating system. Your computer is real, your OS is not, but without the OS your computer won't work.

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I forget this part, what was Neos choice again?

1) Go to the source and have his code read allowing the Architect to redesign the Matrix to further eliminate the chance that someone rejects the Matrix. Zion will be destroyed and Neo would choose a dozen or so people to start a new Zion.
2) Return to the Matrix and Zion. Zion will be destroyed. The flaw in the Matrix will grow until it becomes unmanageable and the Matrix crashes, killing every human in the power plant. Humanity is now extinct and the Machines have to find a new level of existence.

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Then whose to say that my original theory isnt right? Sounds awfully like how the Matrix originally was, people who reject it can be freed just like Neo, Morpheus etc. And life continues on as it did before. Eventually the cycle repeats, The One comes back, fucks up and makes Smith a virus again, then we come down to the "cancelling out" of the two and the "truce" once again to start the next cycle.
Or is there a difference now in that freed minds who enter the matrix to free others wont be interfered with by agents?

Smith was new, he never happened before. In all the cycles there never was a truce either, Machines wiped out Zion every time.
The difference is that those who reject the Matrix are allowed and probably encouraged to be freed, which should eliminate the flaw as the Matrix would now consist entirely of those who accept the Matrix reality.

Zoot - April 14, 2005 08:15 AM (GMT)

Fez - April 17, 2005 04:10 AM (GMT)
Yes yes I know they ripped off the bible for the storyline

Fez - October 28, 2005 02:03 AM (GMT)
Bump from NAM

this guy does a good take on it

El Matador - October 28, 2005 11:14 AM (GMT)
One thing I didnt get...that sex scene!

What the hell?!

Steveo - October 28, 2005 09:09 PM (GMT)
well when a man loves a woman very much..............

El Matador - October 28, 2005 09:26 PM (GMT)
HAHA.

Ironic you should say that. I was talking about how to best convey to children the facts of life. My argument was that the most effective methd would be to put them in a room with dripping water and "When A Man Loves A Woman" by Marvin Gaye on an endless loop.

Steveo - October 28, 2005 09:56 PM (GMT)
lmao, maybe if you want serial murders for kids :P

El Matador - October 28, 2005 10:14 PM (GMT)
Ha. Given the person I was talking to, that's probably about the best they could aspire to.




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