From here:

Stalin's half-man, half-ape super-warriors

CHRIS STEPHEN AND ALLAN HALL

The Soviet dictator Josef Stalin ordered the creation of Planet of the Apes-style warriors by crossing humans with apes, according to recently uncovered secret documents.

Moscow archives show that in the mid-1920s Russia's top animal breeding scientist, Ilya Ivanov, was ordered to turn his skills from horse and animal work to the quest for a super-warrior.

According to Moscow newspapers, Stalin told the scientist: "I want a new invincible human being, insensitive to pain, resistant and indifferent about the quality of food they eat."

In 1926 the Politburo in Moscow passed the request to the Academy of Science with the order to build a "living war machine". The order came at a time when the Soviet Union was embarked on a crusade to turn the world upside down, with social engineering seen as a partner to industrialisation: new cities, architecture, and a new egalitarian society were being created.

The Soviet authorities were struggling to rebuild the Red Army after bruising wars.

And there was intense pressure to find a new labour force, particularly one that would not complain, with Russia about to embark on its first Five-Year Plan for fast-track industrialisation.

Mr Ivanov was highly regarded. He had established his reputation under the Tsar when in 1901 he established the world's first centre for the artificial insemination of racehorses.

Mr Ivanov's ideas were music to the ears of Soviet planners and in 1926 he was dispatched to West Africa with $200,000 to conduct his first experiment in impregnating chimpanzees.

Meanwhile, a centre for the experiments was set up in Georgia - Stalin's birthplace - for the apes to be raised.

Mr Ivanov's experiments, unsurprisingly from what we now know, were a total failure. He returned to the Soviet Union, only to see experiments in Georgia to use monkey sperm in human volunteers similarly fail.

A final attempt to persuade a Cuban heiress to lend some of her monkeys for further experiments reached American ears, with the New York Times reporting on the story, and she dropped the idea amid the uproar.

Mr Ivanov was now in disgrace. His were not the only experiments going wrong: the plan to collectivise farms ended in the 1932 famine in which at least four million died.

For his expensive failure, he was sentenced to five years' jail, which was later commuted to five years' exile in the Central Asian republic of Kazakhstan in 1931. A year later he died, reportedly after falling sick while standing on a freezing railway platform.

That would've been so awesome if he had suceeded. Imagine the Germans having to fight against APE WARRIORS who could resist the freezing cold and who could destroy fascist Europe!

this disturbs me very deeply. ape warriors would be cool but their experiments are freakish.

Think of the level of intelligence the 'ape warriors' will have, compared to the normal human. Apes being mostly tropical and sub-tropical creatures would not form a good genetic basis for a cold resistant warrior. Monkeys also don't work very hard, even if you beat them.

Come to think of it, he should have focussed the efforts to capture a yeti (or whatever the Russian equivalent is), at least such genetics will form a good basis for oversized and cold resistant humanoids. (Intelligence will also be questionable.)

Just another example of the kind of insane bullshit that Stalin was capable of putting in motion. Russian genetics was miles behind anything in the West by that point.

I think he just wanted an excuse to hump monkeys.

Are you suggesting that that the Slavic race is subhuman or do you mean that their genetic technology was behind the West? During the 1930-40s, the Japanese were leading the world in bacterial research.

Indeed.

They were behind, they let their politics and ideals interfere with scientific progress.

The second, obviously. I meant that their technical skills were second-rate, and that Stalin's near absolute power meant that he could get any idiotic project in motion by that point.

(I have no idea how you would have read anti-Slavic sentiments into my post if you'd read it properly. Perhaps your interest in Nazism has coloured your perceptions somewhat?)

Ugh! Why do you and your friends have to make everything ... ugh ... sexual? I hate these subliminable ideas you push! When will you stop posting about filth? :chiang:

Fuck that's cool. Stalin was the fucking man. The German Uber Soldat would still have kicked their monkey asses though, if, of course, it hadn't been destroyed By B.J. Blazkowicz.

That one really sounded as if you were criticising the Russians on a racial basis.

I've got a sense of humor, you know.

By promoting a project of inseminating humans with ape sperm, shows how poorly educated Stalin was in science.

I'm surprised that this draws parallels with all these fundies in America urging the teaching of 'Intelligent Design'.

Overall, the communist regimes were afraid that the scientists would use their knowledge and research against the political elite, thus political control must be implemented for monitoring and troubleshooting.

Did you read it as meaning 'Russian genetic science' or as 'Russian genes'? I can see what you mean if you read it as the latter, although that's an incorrect interpretation.

Fortunately ID will never get very far in the US. Voters and judges are already bitchslapping it. AFAIK, all it's managed so far is a brief mention in the classrooms of a few school districts, if it manages to worm its way into any university cirriculum then I'll start getting worried.

The despot is often his own worst enemy. Hitler dismissed nuclear physics as 'Jewish Science'.

Only if you woefully misread my post.

Congratulations, you've now discovered what I actually meant!

When did he say that? The Germans had a nuclear program and were close to building the bomb. There was a program to stop teaching Einstein's theories because he was Jew.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Physik

Depends what kind of university we're talking about...

That's the fundy university that awarded the Gimo (Chiang Kai-shek) an honorary degree for his efforts against communism. The award was religiously motivated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Kaishek

I mean a real university, not a bullshit one.

Yeah, I'm aware of Bob Jones University's pedigree. The chancellor is Bob Jones III, who succeeded his father Bob Jones, Jr., who had previously succeeded... see if you can guess. Here he is:



I wonder if their degrees are treated with any seriousness in the US.

If they would be willing to award some failed dictator like Chiang Kai-shek without any serious consideration, then I guess they are a supreme academic institution!

It's in South Carolina. That should answer your question.

The holy land of the inbreed Redneck race!

The day after Hiroshima the Americans locked the Nazi bomb team in a room with the day's newspapers. They admitted that they had not come anywhere near manufacturing an actual bomb.

Hitler's enthusiasm for the bomb waxed and waned. It probably could have been completed if something even close to the manhatan project had been attempted. However, Germany lacked the resources, but more importantly Hitler distrusted the idea of a nuclear bomb. Why exactly nuclear physics was 'Jewish science' I do not know, but the Fuhrer prefered to fund 'wunder waffen' which he at least could understand, like the V2, the Tiger, and the Me262 and Me163.

"Wunder Waffen" was more hinted for nerve gas. Which led to the Russians issuing gas masks during their assault into Germany. The Germas were very close to perfecting such powerful chemical weapons.

"Jewish science" was referred to by jealous Nazi physicists like Lenard against the works of Einstein. It did not have any serious bearing to atomic weaponry research as the SS would not approve of anything remotely Jewish.


More on Bob Jones' Redneck university:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BJU#Rules_for_students

Yeah, by the end of the war the Germans had Sarin in huge quantities. It was a miracle that gas was never used in combat. Hitler had no problem with gassing jews, but as the other powers were also armed with gas you got a sort of nuclear deterrence effect.

According to Speer, Hitler generally only liked weaponry that was some improvement on WW1 technology, such as tanks and aircraft.

I must say, Adolf, it's rather disturbing you so easily read into that statement about the Slavic race. Perhaps a Freudian slip of your own hatred?

And note, your statement about bacterial research in Axis Japan is false. To the best of my knowledge, the Japanese never even developed anti-biotics independently during the war, when the Allies were already using them on a huge scale by the end of it.

I don't think Adolf has any real hatred in that sense - perhaps just reading too much Nazi material has subtly coloured the way he interprets certain statements.

I'd be interested to see some linkage on the Japanese bio-warfare/antibiotics question as well, just out of interest...?

Yeah, I was just joking. Your thesis is much more likely in this particularly case with him.

About Japanese bio-warfare, I really should give this to you on MSN but I can't be bothered moving my hand to the mouse, thus the fuckers of the Unit 731 are you first stop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

As I recall, the Japanese sent balloons on the wind from the home islands to the US (yes they carried that far, though probably most didn't make it) which were filled with nasty biological shit. It didn't end up doing anything significant though.

The Nazi would rather transport Jews on death marches than use the roading or rail to deploy the gas.

There's a difference between their industry and research. They lacked the facilities to manufacture antibiotics, that's a fact. But the sheer numbers of papers published from Japanese universities about bacterial research astounded the West.

There's also the work Unit 731 which researched on Chinese civilians in Northern China since 1932.

Could be the case. Ya see, I'm very aware of racist statements and I thought your one about "Russian genetics" was an example of such.

It was kept as a secret from the North American public for much of the 20th century that such balloons caused much of the forest fires on the Pacific coast of Canada and the United States during the war. Most of such balloons carried incendiary and explosive materials, aimed at causing forest fires. As for bio-agent, by the time they drifted to North America, only trace amounts survived the journey. If the incendiary balloons reached Australia, the fire damaged would be very severe.

Hitler was a classic case of a n00b acting as supreme commander. His own experiences as a foot soldier could not compete with the knowledge of those who had been through staff colleges. Hitler also had this tendency of intruding into the decisions of his generals.