Does NZ have a P problem? I think so as most of my form from school are regular users of this shit..... (i am very anti drugs) I am not from a low decile school..... I think we were given the highest decile rating possible......... so what is causing NZ youth to fuk themselves over with this shit....? and what are the police/schools doing about it?

obviously not the hot topic i thought it would be...... :frustrated: :frustrated:

nah kiwi hockey guy I haven't had time to respond to this topic and just found out that I have to redo an assignment (it turns out the instructions on the sheet were inaccurate). the assignment is due in on Friday so I have to re do the whole thing again. I am so pissed off and am going to talk to the class rep about this. It is highly unfair to give instructions and then change them half way through. :frustrated: :frustrated:

Getting to the topic of P, yes NZ does have a P problem, you jut have to look at the samurai incident 2 years ago to realise this. The coral burrows case is indicitive as are the two pizza hut murders a couple of years ago in south Auckland.

P is obviously linked with violence.

The government is trying to do something by informing us of the issue and telling us to steer clear. We know that these murders have been linked to P.

Why do I think people are using P? I think it comes down to the old age thing of escapism. our youngsters are more troubled and P gives them some escpae from it. it might start off as a one time thing but obviously as time progresses one becomes dependent upon it.

I think there should be better drug education in schools, universities, newspapers and magazines. We should be promoting a community atmosphere (I know it seems like this is what I am about) because P was not a problem several years ago and I think it still would have been around, just not as much. A community atmosphere will lead these kids to have higher self esteem and strive for achievement of goals.

I think people who use P are typically depressed as well, so therefore we need to detach the negative stigma relating to depression and tell people that it is okay to seek help. That is preferable to people being on P and ruining their lives and potentially murdering others.

Is this the response you wanted?

I also suggest we get more police officers to assess the situation and patrol areas that are prone to P usage.

I just remember the police saying that they were turning a blind eye to p..... as they said this a guy i went to school with got hooked on it..... family had to move out of auckland due to death threats from his dealers.... another guy from school got fired from work........ starting hitting the p pipe all day, did not look for a job, then started commiting crimes so he could buy more P..... got arested but got off all charges..... he now works but uses p everyday!

I also know of people as young as 13 having P.....

My school was so messed up we would have drug dogs come in on a regular basis and sniff the whole school and all classes including students and their bags......

Does bringing in sniffer dogs stop people using drugs? no........ it gets them in trouble for what they already do, I think we should be more focused in not getting people started...

My flatmates were smoking P out of broken lightbulbs way before it was cool. They didn't cut off any of my limbs or have really bad haircuts. OK a couple of them did.

I think it's a complete and total horseshit media beatup, blowing the problem completely out of proportion. A couple of fuckhead losers got all angry when they took P. Shit. People get angry and violent when they drink too, the difference is that they fall asleep after drinking too much and forget about what they were doing.

In short: P epidemic is total arse.

Ahmed. The P epidemic is very real indeed. It is destroying families and lives. You are not aware of it because you are not exposed to the down-sides on a daily basis. Even if we entirely ignore the financial aspect of p use (addiction is ruining many users, who then need to turn to 'alternative' forms of income to fuel their addiction) the effects on the psyche of the regular user are scary. P essentially magnifies any prediliction that the user may have, causing negative character traits to become wildly amplified and making the user extemely paranoid. This can manifest itself in violent forms but will just as often throw the user into extreme depression. There is an epidemic and the only way out is for the government to either subsidise the gangs or smash them.

I agree with both points - P is bad stuff, but so is booze - how many people do you know who get agressive and paranoid when drunk?

The thing with P is the media hype. If you got stories everyday about how bad alcohol is, and how it screws people over, and how every violent crime ever is related to it, then we'd start having a drinking epidemic too.

The problem is there, i just dispute how much extra weight the media coverage puts on it. How many people get raped or beaten up every week because of alcohol, and yet we have three incidents ever from P, and its the end of the world?

I'm not saying alcohol is the devil, just using it as a comparison.

What's with Kiwis calling crystal meth "P", anyway?

Hahaha, Its the whole media thing. they are going to make the next big epidemic the crystal meth epidemic, and everyone will think its something different.

so 5 year olds will think its funny

Yes it might be partially media hype but there would have to be a story there in the first place for the media to take an interest in it.

How many stories have their been of murders when drunk, maybe bashings but not murders as far as I am aware.

The good news is that there is now more awareness regarding p.

I think Nos and marajuana are something that New Zealanders do need to be concerned about. They are commonly accepted, and in some ways I feel that this could lead to more of a problem than P. Only a few people take p in comparison tho the number who smoke marajuana and use nos. Therefore Nos and Marajuana impact on the majority of society.

In my opinion this is not good.

I was told that "P" is short for "pure", like "pure speed" or something silly.

Motion to start referring to strong liquor as "S"?

Will someone second the motion?

Smiley,

What's your concern about NO2 and marijuana? What's their impact?

My concern of Nos is that it affects your ability to feel, it affects your fertility and you can lose consciousness or die because it reduces your heart rate.

My concern of Marajuana is that it kills brain cells, you can get lung cancer from it through the inhalation of smoke, it dehydrates you and leaves you feeling out of it.

I don't see the attraction and I think Nos should be illegal. I think marajuana should remain illegal.

I'm about to go to bed, but... S kills brain cells. Should S be illegal?

Why shouldn't I be able to choose whether or not to kill my brain cells, risk lung cancer, dehydration and feeling out of it?

You don't see the attraction, but is the law supposed to be enforcing your notions of attractiveness on everyone?

Both of which are far less healthy than marijuana. In your ideal world, are cigarettes and S illegal?

Marajuana yes.
Cigarettes no - I pay taxes on them for if I get ill later in life, as do all other smokers.

What is S by the way?

Oh man, S is seconded.

smiley,

S is a drug which, when ingested, causes dizziness, lowered inhibitions, a temporary feeling of elation, and has been linked to domestic abuse, serious traffic accidents and liver and kidney illness. I'm surprised you haven't heard of it.

Why wouldn't you rather have marijuana legal and taxed?

No, I think it should stay illegal because of health reasons.

I know this argument has been used before and it is not new, but it is a gateway drug for some people, therefore it should remain illegal.

It's the illegality that makes it a gateway drug. Currently most people must associate with criminal businessmen in order to acquire it. Those businessmen have a vested interest in selling more profitable drugs - ones that are physically addictive and cost more. I know of one instance of someone calling their dealer for him to bring around some weed, and when he turned up he said he had no weed, but had some P they could have. The dude was sensible enough to tell him to fuck off, but that's the kind of situation it is. Meanwhile, you don't get your local tobacconist or bartender trying to upsell P to their usual patrons.

Also, do you honestly think that marijuana is physically more harmful than cigarettes?

NO, I think they are equally harmful to be honest. I smoke. The problem with marajuana is that it effects one's mental state. Cigarettes do not do this.

Ewww @ potheads.

Once again, who are you to tell people not to affect their own mental state?

To me, cigarettes are far worse, due to their incredibly addictive nature.

I don't have the right to tell them, but I've seen good friends of mine go down hill because of their usage of marajuana.

Everything in moderation. You can smoke dope and be just as fine as you would be if you smoked cigarettes. And it depends who you are, relating to your 'mental state', and how much of it you're smoking. Personally, I don't smoke cigarettes, and if I was to smoke ten in a row like many of my chain-smoker friends right now, I'd believe my 'mental state' would be slightly skewered as well.

And it's just the same with alcohol. Fuck, the 'effects' on your 'mental state' of mind could be considered worse for alcohol. So don't try to say that 'it should remain illegal due to health reasons', because that's just utter bullshit.

I'm sorry but this is just naive, you have perfectly proven the point you were refuting. An associate of mine is currently in prison for killing someone outside a bar in West Auckland, at the time both he and his victim were drunk. Recall reading about it in the paper, remember the endless tv attention, the 20/20 episodes dedicated to people struggling to come to turns with how alcohol had ruined one life and taken another? Probably not, why because it was alcohol and not P and so it didnt hit the media radar.

I'm really surprised you were so unaware. Alcohol is a factor is numerous deaths, including a large number of homocides. The reason you dont hear about alcohol being involved is because it's so darn commonplace, it's not a story. Alchol is a familiar part of most people's lives (whether they use it or not), so it's not very 'sensational' media wise. Further the links between alcohol and violence are commonly known. So where's the story when someone kills someone while drunk?

As for worring about cannabis while not mentioning alcohol, I can only assume this is a result of being misinformed.

My opnion is that P is bad!!! I also dislikes deja voodoo after they made that dumb ass song!