Here's one for Adolph Chiang. :chiang:

The booklaunch is tomorrow night...

I don't have time to deal with this conspiracy theorist chickenshit roght now. These sorts of scams are growing more frequent as the last of the WWII generation are dying. Historians have analysized exhaustively that Hitler was never a Jew (incestuous, yes) or a homosexual.

If you're referring to Hitler's older half brother who moved to Britain many years ago and severed ties with his family, then perhaps there is some truth to that Hitler.

I think this belongs in the spam/flame forum.

We all know the truth. Hitler was a communist.

Apologies. I thought the James Bond connection would clearly take it out of the realm of conspiracy theory into the land of paranoid delusion.

Just thought you might get a laugh out of it...

I thought you were advertising a non-fiction work. There has been enough conspiracy theories about the Nazis being linked UFOs, secret societies, cults and now they're saying that Hitler worked for Britain.

Hitler was actually Catholic. He used the religion to justify 'white superiority', which you can find in Mein Kampf.

Nope, it's the work of a nutter who's been hanging around the history dept. this week. I'm sure he thinks it's non-fiction, but I'm pretty sure his co-author, The Spymaster, is pure fantasy...

And arabs use their religion to kill people and supress women.

He believed God wanted him to fight the Jews, but as far as I can recall his belief in white superiority (or more specifically, Aryan superiority) wasn't based on religion.

That's right. Hitler was far from being religiously devout (although he was baptized and went to church on a regular basis as a child). Hitler did not want to supress the Church (which he viewed as a threat to his regime's authority) altogether as it would be cultural suicide, so he Nazified the churches and gradually forbade a Catholic youth movement from being an alternative to the Hitler Youth.

The current Pope argues Nazism is Pagan, considering that the Nazis abused religion to further their anti-Semitic agenda, while persecuting devout priests. Nazism had pagan characteristics, as some of its propaganda centered on the 'mysterious' (bullshit theories) origins of the Aryan race. Religious general and Party leaders were never popular with the elite. Hitler identified himself with the German people entirely and believed that his rise was a product of divine providence.

Oob, actually, even Hitler's earlier work by reading his private notes saw the heavy influence of the Bible in regards to his 'anti-semitism'/racism. This was largely to do with his Christian education as well. We see this in his Monumental account of mankind where humans fall into two types: Children of God and men. Aryans he saw fall into the former, and jews were in the latter. Thorugh out Mein Kampf there's parallels and influence from the Bible for example:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

And a speech:

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942.

He of course wasn't a good Christian.

In Mein Kampf he specifies three groups: The creators of culture (Aryans), the bearers of culture (oriental races would be an example of this), and the destroyers of culture (Jews).

He devoted his life to what he believed was the will of God. By his understanding of Christianity, he was a very good Christian. Religion is a tool by which man deceives himself into thinking that what he is doing is right and just.

His work was all interrelated. Point is, it showed he was actually in touch with his so called Christian faith.

He wasn't a good christian when he went against the moral teachings of the religion. I'm not one to defend the confusion that is Christianity, but the moral teachings are the fundamentals.

Men are deceptive. Not religion. Yes, religion can be used manipulatively, just like any other ideology. Example: democracy. ;)

Hitler was never a religious man. He had abandoned church service long ago and saw religion as a distraction as they should be working towards a better State. He simply used religion as a tool of propaganda. The only beliefs of God Hitler had was that he was delievered by providence and protected by God. After the July Plot, this belief was held in even higher regard.

Religion is entirely subjective, which is why there are a zillion of them, because everyone has their own interpretation of the crazy millenia old writings of some ancient kooks. According to his understanding of Christianity, he was doing exactly what was required of him, and thus was a 'good christian'. I'm sure that most people who follow a religion think they're a 'good [insert cult here]'.

Anti-Semitism being so rife at the time was partly out off the belief that the Jews killed Christ and that Europe was unaccepting of aliens. Hitler simply went along with the flow, as several prominent Viennese politicians during his youth made great gains by blaming all problems on Jews. It was also said that Hitler's mother died in the hands of an incompetent Jewish doctor, but to be honest, the fatherless Hitler in Vienna failed to send any more money back home for her treatment and should be largely his fault.


Back on the topic of the book, I'm pretty sure it's as believable as this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

*yawns*@the new fashion that is atheism.

Oob, you're not saying anything new mate. Don't feel too special. ;)

And you of course have the most original views out.

Samf, i never said i did. Merely pointing out atheists are also predictable, although they'd like to see themselves as somehow against the wave of 'predictable conformity'. So cute you'd come to oob's defense though.

There's really only one way to not believe, and that is cynically. There are thousands of ways to 'worship'.

I dont really care for religions.

I was of that school of thought, but such is the rising tide of religious social engineering, you have to take an interest..

Know Thy Enemy....

My atheism is simply part of my approach to learning. I do my best to understand the facts as objectively as possible, and try to prevent my own personal feelings from twisting the knowledge that I acquire, not always with success I will admit. Can you say the same, or does your obvious hatred of the west and christianity come first?

Belief in magical sky gods has no place in a rational mind. Always be the most sceptical of those beliefs you hold most dear.

Yes. You got me.

I hate the west and its freedom.

Bastards.

Unfortunately you're still in the wild.

Unfortunately.

Congratulations folks, this thread got "reverse Chiang'd".

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Mrt, in the wild? don't insult NZ like that. I consider it a very civilised society. ;)

OMG he's conforming LolZ. OMG I need to start wearing makeup to STOP CONFORMING, TO END THE MACHINE!

Yeah, I've never been into the whole "let's rebel to be cool" thing.

You've got a thing about men wearing makeup, don't you?

Men are only suppose to wear make up if their performance demands it, like being a pantomime, for example.

Brad Pitt wears makeup. Damn metrosexuals.

Yes, damn the metrosexuals and their conspiracy to make men effeminate and ridiculous!

*Bigida Bump*

The guy that wrote this book was on Eating Media Lunch last night. He was spookily normal. I actually expected him to be frothing at the mouth...

Are you coming onto me, El Bronto? :naughty:

[heh, he can't respond to my accusations!]

And Maus, incidentally, did Wells manage to own him ?

He didn't really need to. The guy said that Muldoon was a secret agent, and that Helen Clark trained in St Petersburg. :chiang:

Seems reasonable enough. He clearly has substantial evidence to back up these claims. Has he found out about Don Brash being one of Kim Jong Il's spies yet? He's bound to have picked up on the fact that Cairns Fudge is actually a soviet brainwashing tool already.
THIS MAN IS OMNISCIENT. :bowdown: