Title: Vic Uni Taking Salient To Court
Description: court injunction issued against Salient
professional_cynick - October 2, 2005 01:25 PM (GMT)
That's right - the Vice-Chancellor of Victoria University Wellington (Pat Walsh) has taken out a court injunction against Salient to prevent them from publishing an article on fee-setting.
The Dominion-Post smell something a bit off here, so they decided to print the article. They might just get a smidgen more circulation that way.
The administration have also scheduled the fee setting meeting during the middle of exams, as to squash any attempt at protests.
Rumours hint at fee increases of 10% across the board, which is unprecedented under fee maxima, and since the 90s. Any increase over 5% and up to 10% would require the Tertiary Education Commission's approval. This body does little more than rubber stamp.
However one might say that Victoria has shot itself in the foot. If the TEC does allow 10% across the board fee increases then people will definitely be thinking that there is something fishy going on here. It is likely to grant the increase unless there is a lot of pressure and media attention. In the event it doesn't grant the fee increase, Victoria won't be happy at all - crying out about the underfunding of the tertiary sector.
We live in interesting times...
templar34 - October 2, 2005 02:17 PM (GMT)
Quality first post.
It does sound like the Vic admin have something to hide... We'll have to watch this one.
Steveo - October 2, 2005 07:43 PM (GMT)
Sounds like our uni would be more than happy to follow suit as well
Mr Lanky Bobs - October 2, 2005 09:29 PM (GMT)
they better not...i'm not above going to aut...
Maus - October 2, 2005 09:30 PM (GMT)
Isn't AUT more expensive than UofA?
Sardonic - October 2, 2005 09:37 PM (GMT)
From Todays Dom Post:
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Victoria wins legal bid to gag student mag 03 October 2005 By CHALPAT SONTI
Victoria University has won a court order stopping publication of student magazine Salient - a move slammed as "ridiculous" by the editor.
It is believed to be the first time in the 67-year history of the weekly magazine that university authorities have prevented its publication.
An interim injunction was issued in the High Court at Wellington on Friday in response to a proposed article due to be published today on student fees for 2006. The matter will return to the High Court for a full hearing today.
News editor Keith Ng said the injunction followed a request by Salient to the university after the magazine obtained "alarming" documents on Wednesday relating to next year's student fees.
"The university has not tried to contact us since Thursday. We've tried to contact them and tell them (our addresses) for service, but we haven't actually been served yet. We've only heard this secondhand from the printers."
Mr Ng expected staff would be served with the injunction today.
University spokeswoman Jude Urlich said the reason for the delay was that the injunction was obtained after the offices of the Victoria student association – Salient's owner – had closed.
Salient editor Emily Braunstein said the "ridiculous" injunction was an "absurdly extreme" measure. She was unaware of any similar attempt to silence the magazine in the past.
"The university is making decisions that affect students enormously and is trying to sweep it under the carpet. We just don't think that's fair. The stupid thing is all they're doing is creating (more) hype."
Ms Braunstein said she would place posters around the university today telling students Salient had not been printed because "the vice-chancellor doesn't want you to read what's in it".
Ms Urlich said the university was forced to take out the injunction because Salient "had documents they were not entitled to have in their possession".
"Unfortunately, we were unable to secure the return of those documents and Salient was determined to publish information from those documents."
The university had a "strong obligation" to protect the integrity of government processes.
Ms Urlich refused to comment on the question of media freedom, saying she did not want to "rehearse" arguments that should be heard before the court. |
SheDevil - October 2, 2005 09:40 PM (GMT)
We talked about this in Exec, Massey uni are always the first to go in the rounds of fee setting and they recieved approval from the TEC to get their 10%, so i think we are pretty much fucked.
Sardonic - October 2, 2005 09:58 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (SheDevil @ Oct 3 2005, 09:40 AM) |
| We talked about this in Exec, Massey uni are always the first to go in the rounds of fee setting and they recieved approval from the TEC to get their 10%, so i think we are pretty much fucked. |
Remember that their council overturned their fees increase last year
So they were stuck at the 2004 levels for 2005.
See? Student Reps do make a difference
professional_cynick - October 2, 2005 10:01 PM (GMT)
If we were to get technical about it, Salient did get documents that they were not entitled to have, which I image would be from a student rep on the VUW council. Discussions around fee-setting (and the multiple proposals from Finance) would be in strict.
10% across the board is quite hefty, and I believe that their justification was capital expenditure. Auckland will have fee increases, but in most areas they will keep to their 'UPI' (University Price Index, coincidentally about 1.6 times the Consumers Price Index) - possibly applying for a few exemptions like with Med School last year.
International students fees are ones to watch as well. If International Fees don't go up by much, then you can be sure that Domestic students' will.
I only hope that the media follows it and it becomes a big story. Student support featured in the campaign, so it isn't a lost hope...
Mr Lanky Bobs - October 3, 2005 12:23 AM (GMT)
it doesn't matter how they got them...shouldn't the point of a student magazine be to inform students of important issues affecting them and their university...and so they got their hands on some confidential documents in the process...fact is the students still deserve to be informed whats going on...
SheDevil - October 3, 2005 03:13 AM (GMT)
Yeah, it's fucking bureaucrats trying to shit on students without them knowing it. Most students don't really realise how much they are paying in fees, so 10% could slip by us quite easily and the university knows this.
Did you know we only pay a 1/4 of the total cost? The government pays the other 3/4, so a $500 paper actually costs $2000, my papers aren't even worth the $500.
Sardonic - October 3, 2005 03:42 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (SheDevil @ Oct 3 2005, 03:13 PM) |
Yeah, it's fucking bureaucrats trying to shit on students without them knowing it. Most students don't really realise how much they are paying in fees, so 10% could slip by us quite easily and the university knows this.
Did you know we only pay a 1/4 of the total cost? The government pays the other 3/4, so a $500 paper actually costs $2000, my papers aren't even worth the $500. |
Hmmm... the Government and money from Research make up the other portion.
International Student Fees increased by 4% for the coming year. Domestic fees will be set at the final meeting of Council in December. However we should know the bad news a while before then. We then can lobby Council not to increase fees. Your two Council reps are Greg Langton and Conor Roberts
SheDevil - October 3, 2005 03:46 AM (GMT)
Conor and Greg have said they will probably not go for a no increase stance just because then the next year they will hike it up to the max because there was no increase in the previous year, i think they will go for a rise in line with current inflation, or CPU, or something rather than UPI, i don't know the actual terms.
Mr Lanky Bobs - October 3, 2005 07:16 AM (GMT)
thats fair enough i suppose...just so long as its controlled...not like a fucking 10% price increase...
Scuzza - October 3, 2005 08:09 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (SheDevil @ Oct 3 2005, 03:13 PM) |
Yeah, it's fucking bureaucrats trying to shit on students without them knowing it. Most students don't really realise how much they are paying in fees, so 10% could slip by us quite easily and the university knows this.
Did you know we only pay a 1/4 of the total cost? The government pays the other 3/4, so a $500 paper actually costs $2000, my papers aren't even worth the $500. |
They have to fundraise for all the Research somehow :P
Sardonic - October 3, 2005 08:36 PM (GMT)
*sighs*
When it comes down to it the Uni cant increase more than 5% without it having to go to TEC to be ratified...which they won't
Greg and Conor and only 2 members of a Council of 12. And they are there to represent the 33000 students. And they should consult with those students before deciding what stand they are making.
If students say they dont want a fees increase then they are meant to vote against any fees increase. It wont matter as they would lose the vote 10-2. But if they vote for the fees increase they go wholely against the whole point of student representation i.e. representing the view of students.
And the term is CPI
professional_cynick - October 4, 2005 12:32 AM (GMT)
An abbreviated version of the story is available online - Critic printed it:
Critic
the oob - October 4, 2005 12:41 AM (GMT)
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| If students say they dont want a fees increase then they are meant to vote against any fees increase. |
Out of curiousity, has there ever in history been an occasion where the majority of students in a student organisation wanted a fee increase?
professional_cynick - October 4, 2005 01:37 AM (GMT)
As far as I'm aware AUSA and all students' associations, since the introduction of fees, have campaigned against them and voted against fee increases.
I think it is a slippery slope from pragmatism to being the university's lackies.
Mind you there was a student rep on council last year that voted for one of the fee increase proposals - Monique from the PGSA.
Council members are elected, not appointed by AUSA. It was a phone ballot vote. Most students probably didn't vote.
I think that we shouldn't faulter from the line that AUSA opposes all manner of fee increases and that we pressure the government to properly fund Tertiary Institutes.
What do people think?
I am still in favour of a full-funded tertiary education system. i.e. free education.
Secondly, what about international students fees? We can't have it both ways, and they will sky-rocket... Should international students be seen as commodities and cash cows?
What about competition between universities? I am of the thinking that Universities should aim on serving their region rather than poach kids across the country.
But then again some universities specialise in some areas, rather than others.
SheDevil - October 4, 2005 02:46 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (professional_cynick @ Oct 4 2005, 01:37 PM) |
Secondly, what about international students fees? We can't have it both ways, and they will sky-rocket... Should international students be seen as commodities and cash cows?
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Better them than us!
Right, hurtle abuse at me for saying that. I mean honestly, come on, they can afford it. They choose to come here to study, they leave with a degree that is worth something and so they have to pay the price. Granted some intl students can't, but i'd say the majority can.
templar34 - October 4, 2005 04:03 AM (GMT)
Hmm...tough call, I mean, that extra paper could be how many hours of WoW lost?
Senor - October 4, 2005 04:45 AM (GMT)
uhh am i a retard or has the article been taken down?
professional_cynick - October 4, 2005 11:13 AM (GMT)
Yeah - the article was taken down some point in the afternoon...