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Title: Vehicle-mounted Active Denial System
Description: U.S. Military Supreme!


Adolf Chiang - September 28, 2005 11:35 AM (GMT)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/sys...ound/v-mads.htm

In the future of warfare, you can force the enemy to retreat at your will.

the oob - September 28, 2005 11:42 AM (GMT)
Hey post a link if you find out if this has been used, I've been keeping tabs on this for a while now. It was originally intended as a crowd dispersement tool, but it has other obvious applications, particularly as a torture device.

Adolf Chiang - September 28, 2005 11:45 AM (GMT)
It was intended for use in Iraq but looks like developments are not yet finalized. Long term effects include possible sterilization, although that would be too early to tell.

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Countermeasures against the weapon could be quite straightforward — for example covering up the body with thick clothes or carrying a metallic sheet — or even a trash can lid — as a shield or reflector. Also unclear is how the active-denial technology would work in rainy, foggy or sea-spray conditions where the beam's energy could be absorbed by water in the atmosphere.



Reading up on global Security and listening to the C&C soundtrack makes me feel nostalgic!

Scuzza - September 29, 2005 12:24 PM (GMT)
Why don't you two expend some effort thinking of ways to encourage peace?

mrt - September 29, 2005 08:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Scuzza @ Sep 30 2005, 12:24 AM)
Why don't you two expend some effort thinking of ways to encourage peace?

Care to provide a convincing argument as to why they should do so?

Happy Ahmed - September 29, 2005 08:25 PM (GMT)
I KNOW!

Let's fuckin' kill everyone.

Then there will be peace.

Adolf Chiang - September 29, 2005 09:19 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Happy Ahmed @ Sep 30 2005, 08:25 AM)
I KNOW!

Let's fuckin' kill everyone.

Then there will be peace.

That's paraphrasing Stalin:

"People cause problems. No people, no problem."

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Why don't you two expend some effort thinking of ways to encourage peace?


V-MADS is a system of piece considering that it discourages hostiles and rioters from advancing. It's believed to be useful for peacekeeping roles to prevent violent demonstrations resulting in bloodshed. V-MADS will be a good supplement for tear gas.

Scuzza - October 1, 2005 02:25 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Adolf Chiang @ Sep 30 2005, 09:19 AM)
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Why don't you two expend some effort thinking of ways to encourage peace?


V-MADS is a system of piece considering that it discourages hostiles and rioters from advancing. It's believed to be useful for peacekeeping roles to prevent violent demonstrations resulting in bloodshed. V-MADS will be a good supplement for tear gas.

Suppression of rebellion is not the same as peace. If simply preventing people from rebelling was peace, then the Western powers would be justified in enslaving the entire world.

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mrt Posted on Sep 30 2005, 08:21 AM

QUOTE (Scuzza @ Sep 30 2005, 12:24 AM)
Why don't you two expend some effort thinking of ways to encourage peace? 

Care to provide a convincing argument as to why they should do so? 


Well it seems to me to be a better use of their time. Rather than glorify in new ways of killing/maiming/suppressing people, I think it would be a healthy breath of Fresh air for them to consider how to prevent war from happening.

:)

mrt - October 1, 2005 02:44 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Scuzza @ Oct 1 2005, 02:25 PM)
Well it seems to me to be a better use of their time. Rather than glorify in new ways of killing/maiming/suppressing people, I think it would be a healthy breath of Fresh air for them to consider how to prevent war from happening.

:)

Healthy breath of fresh air. Is that it? That's not convincing at all.

Adolf Chiang - October 1, 2005 03:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Scuzza @ Oct 1 2005, 02:25 PM)
Suppression of rebellion is not the same as peace. If simply preventing people from rebelling was peace, then the Western powers would be justified in enslaving the entire world.

This is not about prevention of rebellion, although it is necessary for any government (for the safety and well-being of it's citizens), to prevent outbreaks of civil unrest and violent demonstrations as lives and properties will be damaged.

For example, instead of shooting violent protestors, V-MADS can be established to forced them into retreat and humiliation. I see a lot of potential for this as a future inventory for riot police around the world.

In fact, the UN will eventually amalgamate this technology into their peacekeeping forces as violent demonstrations and anarchic riots (using the Balkans and Haiti as examples) have claimed the lives of many peacekeepers.

It's also an epitome of efficiency, given that it's ability to push rioters back, can decrease the number of troops/policemen to form human barricades, the resources can then be used to make arrests or fan out into other trouble spots in their sector.

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Well it seems to me to be a better use of their time. Rather than glorify in new ways of killing/maiming/suppressing people, I think it would be a healthy breath of Fresh air for them to consider how to prevent war from happening.


V-MADS was not glorified in the U.S. media where as the MOAB (Massive Ordnance Airburst or 'Mother of All Bombs') got a mentioning prior to it's use in Afghanistan.

As protestors (and potential future insurgents or urban terrorists) get driven back by such systems, the humiliation will make them rethink the credibility of their aims. It also saves the lives of protestors as they don't get into clashes with the police of soldiers (we know who the losers are in that skirmish), especially if it's in a state of emergency and it'll be stones versus bullets.

the oob - October 1, 2005 04:13 AM (GMT)
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Why don't you two expend some effort thinking of ways to encourage peace?


Because I want war to become more common but less bloody.

Adolf Chiang - October 1, 2005 04:21 AM (GMT)
It's always going to get bloody when guerillas are involved. Modern air and firepower superiority prior to occupation is always swift. Occupation is always manage to breakdown morale. Another solution the Americans can try would be to place support personnel (cooks, radiomen, pen pushers) on patrols (maybe after a crash course on urban combat, since they've done their basic).




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