Critic has rerun Nick Keesings drug rape article first published a couple of years ago.

Why?!?

It amuses me:
1. whoever merged this thread kept me as the thread starter but took the thread title from the other thread.
2. that the Otago Times did no research at all and hasnt worked out that this is the same article that caused the furory across the country when Craccum published it.

I merged the two topics.

The article sucked anyway. It's just like the suicide article, which also sucked. A whole big media beat up over something barely worth mentioning.

Not something... some one!

Critic dissapoints me.

Nick Keesing is misunderstood.

Hold up, who the fuck gave them permission to publish it? Seeing as it was printed in Craccum Craccum technically has the rights to it??? Correct me if i'm wrong, but they are getting a. old publicity and b. free unwarrented publicity courtesy of us! Bastards!

Its Keesings article isnt it? Craccum never paid for it

You mean he's an even bigger loser than I thought?

Ok so apologies, apparently it isn't the same article as keesings, but very similar. Maybe they plagarised it??

hmmm. ShedEvil...I move for a side by side comparasion.

Its a rework... I presumed by Nick

If not... then Nick should be informed and we can let him take on Critic

well fricken watch out Critic !

True, Alec imformed me he has read it and it isn't the same but close enough, so i guess we'll pass it on to Nick and he can do what he sees fit.

That bloody article got featured on tonight's news and even their campus cop isn't happy about it. If an article is truly written to prevent date rape, why not have one that's informative like a factsheet, rather than some sick, graphic story the speaks on the offenders' perspective?

is nick keesing the old creepy guy i have seen at shads that i was warned to stay away from as he was the guy that wrote how to rape a chick and how to kidnap someone and keep them hostage etc....

That's one disturbing motherf*cker you speak of. I can't that believe such people lurk around on campus.

the worst thing is that articles like this, which we all know feature regularly in student media, are pointless, and simply marginalise student literature, student publications and therefore the massively under achieving student population. Nick Keesing is too old to be at uni.

Has anyone ever thought of cleaning up the standard of student magazines? I don't think the contents make our university or it's reputation look good. Every week I flip through a Craccum, there's just sex and bias. Quite a vicious cycle too.

So what? All you get in proffessional news is bias...so be glad of the sex while you have it.

Adolf, thats the point of student magazines. To be different from the mainstream.

If you want that go buy a listener

Yea, University is it's own society, not a microcosm of the outside world's idea of society. People have forgotten that. And that is why student life suffers.

Adolf u ass, how dare you bad mouth craccum

:ph43r:

AKA 'Pravda'.

surely thats worth a warning...at the very least :flame: BURN ADOLF!!!

SHit! when did educatoin get an age limit?

Nick Keesing might be a tosser but Uni isnt only for horny, drunken twenty somethings Grrrrrrrrrrr

I dont know if anyone else will get that...but :lol:

I got it, comrade.

The Critic article is at http://www.critic.co.nz/showfeature.php?id=3476

They did quite well in waiting for the post-election lull, in terms of maximising the publicity, I reckon.

i agree with adolf. since when did being 'different' from 'mainstream media' mean you have to be dirty and crass? how about displaying bias about things which the mainstream doesnt cover, that are actually important? and who the fuck am i to define 'important.?" you may well ask.

I am aware that some public figures and politicians (namely Brash and Bush) aren't well-liked by those that write for Craccum. However, instead of properly arguing against their ideals, Craccum resorts to tacky photoshops, articles that presents only the ultra-leftist point of view and constant use of words like "fuck".

In order to improve the quality of the contents profanity and nudity should be censored as a beginning. Nobody likes strict censorship; but if there isn't censorship, then I suppose groups like NAMBLA and rapists will have a field day.

When I entered uni, I was expecting to see an atomic bombardment of leftism, I was expecting it to be in the form of intellectual arguments and polite articles from the student magazine. What I see in Craccum is like Pravda with some druggy as an editor. Craccum maybe a common student institution, for me, it's sudden disappearance will not be missed.

The photoshops are not tacky. They're actually rather hilarious, but I wouldn't expect you to see the funny side of anything, to be honest.

Usually when writing about Bush or Brash in a way that doesn't resort to licking their arses, one would hope to see a good dosage of words like "fuck" when discussing their regimes.

It sounds to me, Chiang, that your perception of Craccum is a little skewered by the fact that you seem to view it as some sort of journalistic 'Listener'-esque current affairs magazine. Or it's coming across as that's how you think it should be produced.

It is a student magazine. All of the writers are contributors. They don't get paid. They're writing about their opinions on whatever the fuck they feel like. So if you've got a fucking opinion, why don't you write a little ditty and send it in. I'm sure they'll be oh so impressed.

See you make a pretty primitive argument here; that nudity and profanity detract from the quality of the magazine. What you fail to realise is that Craccum does not have the level of repsonsibility placed upon it as a normal publication. It doesn't run at a profit, nor is it meant to. It's the one corner of media where you can get away with swearing and nudity and everyone will just think you are doing your job.

This brings me back to the point I made earlier about destroying the student culutre. It is students like you who believe University is just a filler between college and getting a full-time job that are slowly destroying the soul of student life. If you don't like the core essence of the magazine, then why the hell did you join a forum based on it?

Oh, and Craccum has two editors. And as for Ultra-leftish? I don't know entirely how you get that. Craccum seemed to be centre left at most to me...maybe you're only capable of seeing extremes. And having read Pravda, I have to wonder what the hell you are on about with your comparasion. Craccum is older than I am, for fucks sake. If you didnt like the content, you should have voted in the AUSA elections; if you did, well good. If not, shut the fuck up.

Shiz Law has a point though. Independent media does not mean you have to get in to the porn, but it's also a student magazine.

I find in favour of Yeliah.

Despite this forum being based on the magazine, we seem to hardly talk about it or it's articles.

So you would have missed the "write a stupid letter to craccum" competition, the Liz Shaw saga, the section called 'Mag Related', or the old 'Mag Related' section, with about five different subforums below it.

The last post in Mag Related was about New Orleans and that was a few days ago at least.

Well thank you for your stunning observation over a period of less than a fortnight. Once again, there was a time before you got here buddy, sorry to burst your bubble.

Hmm, seems they've taken it down... Browsing though the rest of the mag, and I c*completely* idsagree with everything they say in this.

This is the core of the issue. Craccum's writers are left-wing because those are generally the people with enough social commitment (and spare time) to write 2,000 word articles about politics, for nothing. It's not always easy. I just did one - trekked across town three times between classes for a story, took photos, spoke with people at the event, then wrote up the story until 2am on Thursday morning to meet the deadline. Then I started paid work at 7:30am.

Oh, and as regards ultra-leftism, on the few times I've actually seen it in Craccum it has actually been in the form of proper intellectual arguments, not

Right-wing viewpoints would be more than welcome at the Craccum offices - these guys are not afraid of debate - but they only publish what they get. If you object that much to the content, why don't you write something yourself?