I found this link http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,11981-4246838,00.html and once again there is another tax to pay for the roads in Auckland.

What about personal responsibility of Aucklanders. I think this is an ARC issue, not a GOVT issue and should be dealt with by the ARC.

The GOVT has more important things to do in my opinion, especially when you consider 2/3 of the country do not live in Auckland and are not affected by our roading problems.

i support road tolls as a way of funding road development and transport system improvements.

Road tolls - yes,
Fuel tax - no.


I better get it filled today.

Yeah I agree about road tolls.

I actually agree with you. I don't see why everyone else should suffer an increase in fuel prices to pay for roading in a city they don't live in. It's bullshit, plain and simple.

And it's the same with the power situation too. Why should the farmers in the Waikato have huge fucking pylons all over their land just to power Auckland? Auckland is surrounded by harbours, why not take a leaf out of San Fransisco's book and use the tides to generate power?

Bastards.

theres a conversation at the rock factory forum www.therockfactory.net about power solutions, it is in the politics section.

I mean the people who dont live in auckland don't live in auckland because of the cost, thats a decision they make, they shouldn't pay for something they don't use.

There's always talk about road tolls and yet they never actually happen.

Hubbard never should have been elected.

Please dont get me started on this bloody petrol tax crap....... I own 2 cars...... 1 is a 1986 mitsi mirage (hack car) and the other is a High performance turbo charged (boy racer) car....... the latter vehicle runs on High octane gas so this is 98 which is now $1.40 per litre!!!!!! this is just rediculous! then you must pay registrations and all this other stuff........ owning cars is becomming too expensive....... I also find it funny that the govt said they had a $7b surplus last year so up go taxes........ I do suppose we have to pay them for their mid day seista's.......


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and dont' get me started either on this government or the petrol tax, they are basically receiving people's income for sleeping, that is wrong but another topic.

I dont' drive but people don't deserve these taxes imposed on them.

I think with their $7b surplus they should be regulating public transport..... to get to town every day it cost me atleast $5.40 per way...... and as a student that is a lot of money.....

Yeah I'm guessing you live in waitakarei or something.

Again, I don't think the government should be involved in public transport, I think it should be up to the ARC.The government need to focus on other things and invest money in crime etc

Im living in Howick....... but they were wanting to regulate cell phone companys charges but i think public transport (buses, ferrys, trains etc....) even just for students....... the ones who are leaving the country straight after graduating because they have accrued do much debt..... Look after us and we will in turn look after the country

You won't get that with the labour government I don't think.

there are parties out there that do want to reduce the loan cost if you stay in the country.

There are also partes out there that plan to use the petrol tax wisely.

and so they should!

Thats the point, theyre trying to reduce Aucklands congestion by making it too expensive to have and use a car for transport.

lets fight the system and all by many cars and just drive them till we cant afford 2 keep them going then we'll dump them in aotea square........ Fight the bastards!

Then they should have road tolls rather than punish the rest of the country for car usage.

yeah............ what about the casual sunday lawnmower...... why do they pay taxes to fix roads etc.....

Ok I agree with the Road-toll bit, where are some good spots to place toll points?

Therein sorta lies the problem, cars slowing down to go through tollpoints will also increase congestion and add to Aucklands traffic problems, and Im not sure if we can afford those fancy "sensor" systems that they have in Auz that detect a sensor on your car and "bill your account" or simply take a photo of license plate and charge you that way if youre not registered for the sensor.

And on the topic of aucklands road problems, I really wish theyd bring in Carpooling, I dont like to drive in Traffic that much, but when I do, EVERY single car is a single person in a single car, things would be so much more effecient if people just carpooled.

motorways would be a good place to put them, so too would symonds street, the habour bridge. Something like $4 each way. That hits the pocket and adds up, it would make it cheaper to use buses actually.

Yes that is a problem that people only travel by themselves but people are not open to car pooling. this is why I suggest a ban on all cars in streets like queen street, high street, k road, ponsonby road and parnell and neewmarket. That would solve a part of the problem.

The real problem comes on the motorways though so I really suggest road tolls of $4 each day and in peak traffic it should be something like $8.

yes people would be mad about it but it would eventually get through if it was hitting the people's pocket.

I agree with some of those streets (Queen St especially)

Id like to ban all but Buses from Albert St ( ? ) the one that runs between the quad and the library, I know its kinda handy to get on the motorway that way if youre coming from Princess St, but its pretty much owned by students anyways, better to just make it official.

I agree with those streets as well, most definitely Princes, Albert and even SYMONDS streets need to have cars banned.

it does make it dangerous for students crossing and the university, as you said, takes up the whole of that area.

There was the accident last year so to prevent it happening again and to solve road congestion it would be necessary.

You cant be serious. What about he people living in the cdb appartments, surely if they own a car then they would need to make use of it.

What about the taxi, not to mention their increase in the fair now that the oil prices have hiked.

$4 per direction... no way mam.

Why do ppl come to CBD/ city/ New Market ???? Because of work / Education etc. Because they NEED to, they are required to.

Heck im more than happy to work from home, and it is definately possible.

So you want ppl who actually run NZ business's / economy to pay $4 just to come and work our arses off - no thank you.

$1 max one way... i might be able to live with. $4 - $8 is just not practical and not everyonce can afford that either.

If they did implement $4 or $8/ way, I think there will be wide impact on workers not getting to work on time. Because they chose to use slow lane and considering there are more willing NOT to PAY , there will be additional delay since 1 to 2 lanes will then be totally commited to making $$$.

There are underpass tunnels, I suggest that you start using them instead.

Why is this suddenly any more dangerous than it was 10 years ago. Okay may be there werent many cars then but this shouldn't change others lifestyles. Education centre's are responsible for providing safe environment.

Do you have any idea regarding the number of businesses just on Symonds street alone... there is a reason its called cBd.

Yea I only really meant to make Albert St, buses only.

Symonds St is an essential traffic thouroughfare, its kinda stupid to close that one.

The problem is people have become too reliant on cars, not having cars allowed in the cbd would solve some of the congestion problem.

i don't care about it, if you choose to use your car and pollute the air then you should pay for it instead of the rest of the country paying for auckland when they don't even live here, to me thats more wrong.

i think a lot of people drive due to the lack of a reliable public transport system.... i'd hate to think the amount of times ive almost died on a bus..... and the fact they are so slow......... like 1hr and 45 mins town to howick...... as opposed to 45 minutes in a car.... thats another 2 hours id perfer to have to myself than sit on an overcrowded bus!

dont get me started on public transport, no buses are running on Monday and I am pretty pissed off about it. It menas I have to walk an hour to uni.

It also means that several uni students probably won't be able to get to uni because of not having a car or other form of transport.

I've been catching the ferry lately.......... its actually quite good......... a nice way to start the day! I would recomend to anybody in east auckland like howick, pakuranga etc to catch the ferry........ it's $5.40 per way if u buy a 10 trip tertiary pass which is very competitive to the bus considering it only takes 35 minutes and no stupid bus driver slamming on the breaks for no apparent reason

Most of the bus drivers can't drive and they don't care about safety hence why the constantly over pack the buses and whys tagecoach never does anything about it, despite being rung by me 10 times.

hahahahaha i hate stagecoach busses........ they just look so dirty compared to howick n easten

To anyone unaware of what Liz's is talking about

http://www.rideline.co.nz/EventsAndLatestN...dex.cfm?id=1088

Yeah it really does show how much uni students (and others) rely on the public transport system.

Myself Ill catch an Urban Express bus on Monday and others have said theyll catch the train, but what of those on the Shore? Theres no trains on the shore, no other bus company runs out there (Except maybe Birkenhead?) I think thats really fucking stupid of Stagecoach (ok smart on their part to show how valuable they are) to piss off their customers this way.

Calvin, that Ferry thing sounds like a good deal, wish I could do something like that.

ha ha ha yeah it is the only thing that gets to me is the walk from the ferry building to uni especially when im running late

I'm actually now boycotting stagecoach, I haven't completely stopped using the buses but walking to uni on Monday will do it for me.

you sound like this girl i know who is boycotting males......... not having anything to do with them because we are all "Fuc'n wank"rs" ha ha ha

hahahhahahhaha as much as I try I can't do that to males but stagecoach has gone too far with this strike business. Unions are all trouble, I say bring back individual employment agreements.

They are not boycotting the business, they are punishing the public because we have places to get.

i love working for the national bank...... collective agreement...... you can b a member of the union Finsec they charge you $10 a fortnight then when pay reviews come around finsec do all the negotiations then all staff get the pay rise...... even non-union members! YAY so i was $260 a year better to start with then also 4.5% better! ha ha ha ha why would u want to be in a union????

all having unions does is depersonalise the business relationship in my opinion. I think that people should negotiate their own wages, fortunately I have never had to do so as I have always been paid well.

Unions are also bad socially, if you disagree you either stand up and lose your friends but have your pinciples and beliefs or sit down, shut up, have your friends but lose your principles.

I am thinking that there must be some stagecoach drivers who are happy with the pay rise they are receiving.

im sure most of the will be happy......... its better than nothing and just because you work for the company doesnt mean they have to give you a payrise.....

Exactly, they ahve been offered like 7.5% in the first year, they should be happy wtih it.

DAM i am envious of them 7.5% thats almost unheard of

which is why I am outraged and why they should be satisfied with it.

I understand they are getting $13.94 per hour and that is more than the average worker so they should be seriously grateful.